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HAS PURE STOCK BECOME F.A.S.T ????


I cannot sit here any longer without throwing this out for discussion. I have been racing in this group for only 5 years and have watched this group of racing change over the years, the times continue to drop by a select group of racers at every race. I understand all about good air and track conditions, bad tracks and bad air. I have learned from my own car that it takes a lot to effect et's.I get that it is a lot easier to go from the 13's to the 12's than it is from the 12's to the 11's, but this is out of hand!!! What is going on with the top of the heap cars? How can some cars gain 6-8 tenths from one race to another. my original concern of the 11.50 numbers has been blown out of the water in the last two races. Why have tracks not shut down the cars when they hit the 11.50 mark without the proper safety equipment.

Who is going to step up and put an end to the streching of the rules, to down right blatant cheating. The tech has become a joke, a select few know this and have now grown big balls and are slapping it in the racers and spectators faces with down right illegal antics. Below is a list of what I am have been hearing or seeing since racing in this group:
Electric fuel pumps
Fuel regulators before the mechanical pump
No air cleaners
No air filters
5/7 swap cams
Switch pitch transmissions
Lose convertors
4 speed automatic transmissions
Digital boxes
Mystery wires in the engine compartments
Eccesive lift front ends
Shaved tires
Wrong size tires
Gutted dash's
Turn signals
Excessive spring pressures
Illegal light weight internals

A select few are turning this fun race into a run what ya brung under the pure stock/factory stock disguise.

I know a lot of you are thinking this, I am putting it out in the open, has pure stock become F.A.S.T?????

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Re: HAS PURE STOCK BECOME F.A.S.T ????


I can't argue with you on almost every point.The word Pure is being abused. emoticon
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Who techs the cars at the Factory Stock and FAST events?
Maybe an independent person is needed,who has no interest in the cars competintg,just rule enforcement and sharp eyes.
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East coast + Fall air = MINESHAFT


quote:

1971ls6 wrote:
Below is a list of what I am have been hearing or seeing since racing in this group:
Electric fuel pumps
Fuel regulators before the mechanical pump
No air cleaners
No air filters
5/7 swap cams
Switch pitch transmissions
Lose convertors
4 speed automatic transmissions
Digital boxes
Mystery wires in the engine compartments
Eccesive lift front ends
Shaved tires
Wrong size tires
Gutted dash's
Turn signals
Excessive spring pressures
Illegal light weight internals


As with any racing, you *hear* of all kinds of stuff, but you missed some:

Oversized piston domes
Lifters (ceramic, shimmed, etc)
904/727 hybrids
Signature series camshafts

BTW, I was under the impression they counted shifts @ Martin and that rumor was squashed?

I will say this: I don't think eliminating MSD boxes and roller tips will accomplish a darn thing...

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I believe that the quickest of the "pure stock" cars are becoming FAST cars with with stock cubic inches.
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What about these "pure stock" mods:

ALUMINUM RODS
LONGER (THAN STOCK) RODS
KNIFE-EDGE CRANKSHAFT
LIGHT WEIGHT RACING PISTONS
PRESSURE-BACK RINGS (DYKES, ETC)
EXTRUDE-HONED CYL HEAD PORTS
HIGHER LIFT (THAN STOCK) ROCKER ARMS
MAX-AREA CAMSHAFT (CHEATER CAM)
EXTRUDE-HONED INTAKE AND EXHAUST MANIFOLDS
RE-WORKED CARB W/LARGER (THAN STOCK) CFM
QUICK-LIFT FRONT SPRINGS (MOROSO, ETC)
HIGHER STALL (THAN STOCK) CONVERTOR (AUTO)
AUTO TRANS W/ LIGHTWEIGHT INTERNALS
ALUMINUM DRIVESHAFT
HIDDEN BALLAST IN THE REAR
EXTREMELY LIGHTENED FRONT END (ACID DIP, ETC)

Yes, "pure stock" has been severly abused by many. With no real tech, enforcement of the rules depends on the integrity of the competitor. Apparantly, "honesty is NOT the best policy" when it applies to "pure stock" drag racing.

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Once again MONEY -EGO's and stupidity has ruined a great thing. Martin was just proof that some people will pay anything and do anything to be up front. Won't mention names yet .( Don't want to be threatened with a multi page lawsuit for speaking the truth ) Personally If you get caught with some of these things, Rot in hell and don't come back.
None of us are saints but this has gotten ridiculous.
So much for back to grass roots.
Hopefully someone else starts a new series and enforces the rules with NO exceptions. Don't really care if theres 150 people, just need enough to make it fun again.

Was trying to keep my mouth shut and sit back and see if they where going to do anything. Didn't want to look like a diKK before the christmas party. so much for that.
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It certainly seems like were at a crossroad and something needs to be done. We set the stage and used the FAST/Factory Stock Martin race two years ago and pulled off the most intense Factory Stock tech I've seen so far involving more than a few cars. Nobody's been seriously teched anywhere since....

Every single person I've talked to feels we are at a breaking point in both classes. Here's what I'd like to see for 2011:

FAST cars:
* tire rule: must be able to see all threads
* mandatory Head Removal on any car running 10.25 or faster, if you know your gonna run faster than 10.25 you can tech in the thursday before the race. This will be a complete tech from carb to block.
* anything on the entire car (except safety) that is not hidden must look stock appearing, no exceptions.
* after each race any violation no matter how small will follow the car/driver with a asterisk and a explanation at the bottom of the page.
* I hear some of the two steps sound bad from the spectator stands? Maybe that needs to be tamed.

FAST is easy, most everything is allowed anyway,we just need to do it and if it's up to me it's a done deal starting the first race next year. Palooza? Hemmings will eat that up.. emoticon



Factory Stock:
Drop the fricken hammer, for christ sake it's gotten so far out of control I'm even thinking about building a car for the class. LoL.


* Starting at Martin June 24th & 25th 2011 anybody with light-weigh transmission internals or crank/rods should be banned for life.
* A
anybody with an 11 second decal shows up Thursday, we have a hat with little tickets in the hat, one ticket will say trans, one will say oil pan and the last will say intake manifold and exhaust manifold. Each of the "11 second
Guy's" will pick one and that's what will be teched on his car. We come up with guidelines (in writing) with a zero allowance.
*Each of these guy's will be checked for ignition systems, weight of car, fuel systems (pumps), etc..
*Maybe we throw the fastest small block car in there too..
*tire rule
*maybe have Copo and a select few come up with a better set of rules, the type of rules a guy can look at and build a car with-out having to make a phone call every time he does something. Put the !@#$ in writing.
 


We have the stage if you boy's are willing to, let's do it.. The guy's who don't want to tech stay at home and don't come back. Every single legitimate racing organization out there has tear down rules and if you don't see the need or understand the need to do this, your the problem. That's how I feel..
 
 

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quote:

1971ls6 wrote:

I know a lot of you are thinking this, I am putting it out in the open, has pure stock become F.A.S.T?????



I would call some of it stock appearing. Not a FAST car but not a PS car.

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